tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1254315679163990153.post846991233848304651..comments2023-09-09T09:36:50.321+01:00Comments on Systems Thinking for Demanding Change: Getting the Big PictureRichard Veryardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04499123397533975655noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1254315679163990153.post-24621304417425294722009-12-29T00:54:54.811+00:002009-12-29T00:54:54.811+00:00Here's what Wikipedia says on Lateralization o...Here's what Wikipedia says on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateralization_of_brain_function" rel="nofollow">Lateralization of brain function</a>.<br /><br />"Popular psychology tends to make broad and sometimes pseudoscientific generalizations about certain functions (e.g. logic, creativity) being lateral, that is, located in either the right or the left side of the brain. Researchers often criticize popular psychology for this, because the popular lateralizations often are distributed across both hemispheres, although mental processing is divided between them."Richard Veryardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04499123397533975655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1254315679163990153.post-48696535537096066832009-12-27T19:20:14.535+00:002009-12-27T19:20:14.535+00:00Was not even aware of the myth Richard mentions an...Was not even aware of the myth Richard mentions and forestandtrees may have assumed, I rather followed the scientific proof of different functions of each brain half and the simple fact that technical people that excel in their field do so with functions found mainly in the left side of the brain. Nothing to do with 'elite' either way, just about knowing your strengths and weaknesses and work together (like Einstein and Bohr) on the very best results, both creative and pragmatic. However I must add that one should never deny ones own talents and gifts for the sake of social correctness (according to others), even if some might see this as "elite-ness" :-)taxichauffeurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05863903395121682211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1254315679163990153.post-35841221287297607662009-12-15T14:20:50.110+00:002009-12-15T14:20:50.110+00:00As forestandtrees indicates, dividing people into ...As forestandtrees indicates, dividing people into "Left Brain" and "Right Brain" is both scientifically incorrect and sociologically problematic. Somehow the popular myth has circulated that good-thinking is located on one side of the head and bad-thinking on the other, and this encourages people to identify themselves as members of some RightBrain or WholeBrain elite, and to identify everyone else as LeftBrain Other. I completely agree with forestandtrees in rejecting this myth.Richard Veryardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04499123397533975655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1254315679163990153.post-4316171269193394522009-12-15T11:50:18.392+00:002009-12-15T11:50:18.392+00:00I want to challenge Paul's comment that EA pro...I want to challenge Paul's comment that EA promotes whole-brain thinking while the non-EA is a left-brain person. This is not only demonstrably untrue (EAs working for creative organisations will almost certainly encounter some heavily right-brained people) but is undesirable. I don't wish to be part of some elite and, if I was, my "elite-ness" would certainly alienate many of the people I was looking to influence.<br /><br />I may have an alternative view of some things, however: nothing wrong with sharing that and enabling the people I engage with to improve their own understanding. But I feel quite strongly that my role is to help them improve themselves, it isn't about my abilities or status: it's all about them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1254315679163990153.post-65830551723717265912009-12-14T15:18:06.521+00:002009-12-14T15:18:06.521+00:00Building on what Paul says...yes EA is integrative...Building on what Paul says...yes EA is integrative; it includes "all within" and "all without". It is pluralism acknowledging that different modes of life exist in a meta-framework. In such a heterogeneous cosmos or an eco-system, EA promotes certain way of thinking that is both intuitive and also rational while overcoming mental blind-spots and thinking that is overtly rear- view mirror and statistical.<br />Regarding the lenses and point of reference chosen to look or observe – one will often experience paradox of observation brought by the unique combinations of “the observer", the thing "being observed" and the person "observing". Adding to the conundrum is the intellectual "process of observation". This issue has been much discussed by David Bohm in his proposed theory of "implicate order", while trying to reconcile how each Einstein and Neil Bohr were looking in two different ways at the same reality. These two scientists initially collaborated with lot of enthusiasm but owing to different way of looking at things experienced completely different realities. Finally both stopped talking to one another and collaborating. This strain between the deterministic physicists and in-deterministic quantum physicists has lead to quest for unified theory that would reconcile everything. Similar is the fate in EA. The systems are developed employing “Cartesian Theory” in an object oriented way, while the eco-system behaves in a completely different way. This issue of not being able to reconcile introduces ‘Cartesian Dilemma”. No matter how one struggles to find answers and ways to better build things, the dilemma will continue to exist. The need for overcoming will be strongly felt when the one will need to scale the boundaries of system thinking when resources in the world become scarce and then humans have to optimize what is available to them all put together.<br />David Bohm uses the “hologram” as a holistic perspective to describe a certain way of thinking and observation that includes all point of references. And, also while one is using a certain perspective, the isolated piece of the reality being observed presents itself in such a way that it is capable of creating the entire reality that is hidden.<br />From both visual and mental view <br />“Perspective” lead to renaissance in design and development<br />Then it was “cubism” that captured the reality emerging from fragmentation. This still remained in the Cartesian system. Like the Zachman Framework – it is a Cartesian Form, so limited in application for transformative work in large and complex system needing pluralistic considerations. Cubism rules in almost all our life today, wallstreet, tv media etc<br />The next renaissance I think will be in the lines of “implicate order”, that will re-form the society.<br />David Peat, student of David Bohm pursued the ideas of Bohm, especially "implicate order" and he has set-up a learning center in Pari, Italy, where he teaches wonderful ideas related to systems thinking and more.<br />http://www.paricenter.com/<br />http://www.fdavidpeat.com/<br />When we begin to study and understand what is holistic thinking, not only will we be able to think with some enhanced consciousness we will also begin to experience some mind-matter related events.<br />I would assume that incapability in people to bring their mind to holistic thinking is because their mind is not yet attuned. And, each and everyone are capable of reaching this destiny. Unfortunately in IT design and development, most are trained to be programmatic in forming their thoughts and are rigidly driven by the semantics of the programs languages. This introduced mechanistic intellectual behavior, and it is an affliction, although good for manufacturing type linear jobs.<br /><br />Demanding change, yes it is the most neede...but unfortunately it seems dead and stuck only in the political slogan :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1254315679163990153.post-68865305520183869122009-12-13T20:46:17.260+00:002009-12-13T20:46:17.260+00:00... and yet this very true and relevant view of &#...... and yet this very true and relevant view of 'changing position, changing perspective, changing capability' does not hold in most cases, and certainly not in the 'ability'-discussion. Following this line of reasoning we might as well conclude that we would/could all be Rembrandt but for our career choices and present position... I maintain that, in the very same (viewpoint) position and circumstances, an EA needs to be a whole-brain-operated scientific artist as well as artistic scientist, while the non-EA at the same viewpoint position will likely be a leftbrain dominated, logical person. In the above picture example: the EA does not choose between the one or the other, but is capable of 'integrating both' and yet even translating both to other 'pictures' that would explain relevance to yet other stakeholders.taxichauffeurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05863903395121682211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1254315679163990153.post-77829906213618424202009-12-13T19:20:13.805+00:002009-12-13T19:20:13.805+00:00I love Bert's comment, because it makes a grea...I love Bert's comment, because it makes a great link between perspective and affiliation.Richard Veryardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04499123397533975655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1254315679163990153.post-86660854300950358712009-12-13T18:45:30.048+00:002009-12-13T18:45:30.048+00:00Richard, interesting debate. my own experience is ...Richard, interesting debate. my own experience is from the university. and this experience suggests that " seeing a picture" is not so much a question of ability, but of the community, with which you want to identify. or rather automatically identify. for an EA this is the organisation as a whole, which is a much bigger picture than that of someone working in a business unit (or faculty)<br />so the idea is that if you are placed in a different position, your picture will change accordingly.<br />with regard to them-vs-us thinking, that's not totally unexpected, nor is it totally wrong. it occurs in a very natural way when people from different communities meet. <br />(working in a university, I am used to the fact that scientists often don't want to identify with the university, but are loyal to people or organisations working in their specific area of interest. )<br />bert van zomeren<br />@bvanzomerenberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01657292170687148802noreply@blogger.com